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jaybird
The reason he gave was that he wants his children to attend good public schools, and he felt the schools in Portland weren't good enough.
Portland's schools are inferior, but it isn't for a lack of spending. The get plenty of money.
Jenni

Actually, our spending per student is steadily dropping each year. We're now in the bottom half of the country for the amount we spend per student.

Sid

Jaybird-

Since M5 passed in 1990 Portland area schools have suffered tremendously.

jaybird

I like Kool-Aid from time to time too, but I'm not nearly as eager to swallow it as you two are.

Oregon spends more per student on education than our neighbors, California and Washington and more than the national average, and Oregon's teachers already are the 13th highest paid in the nation, and have a pension plan that is bankrupting the state.

More taxpayer money is being spent per pupil than ever, even now, after all the supposed cuts, spending goes up from year to year. It is true that Measure 5 capped property taxes, and if you look at that only, perhaps spending of revenues derived from that source have dropped, but in the time since then the state has more than picked up the difference plus federal monies have increased. And then there's the Multnomah County one-of-a-kind ITAX. As a result, when you look at money from all sources (it's all tax money), more money is being spent per student now than ever, including after adjusting for inflation. The problem is a spending problem, not a tax collection problem.

The public schools are in disarray because they no longer function primarily as places to educate children, but instead now function as places for people with bachelors, and masters, and doctoral degrees in education to find safe and secure gainful employment with lucrative retirement packages.

That's what happens when the double-protected double-insulated workforce (i.e., civil-service public employee AND unionized) gobbles up all the tax money for themselves. The point of it all, educating the kids, not only gets lost in the shuffle, it gets flushed down the commode.

And in Oregon, the Portland school district is the absolute worst case example, although Miss Vicki does show some promise.

rocky

See today's Big O 8/10, and how much Miss Vickie has bloated the administration budget. A small army of high paying make that big buck work]. Not once have I seen a through audit of the school system budgets done by the state. Double and triple dipping is a norm for school employees in our state. Oh well Liberals as well as conservatives never could see the trees...
rocky

Sid

But wouldn't you consider it an interesting fact that teachers in European countries, Japan and Israel are higher paid than teachers in the US? In fact teachers in many of those countries hold the same status as doctors, lawyers and engineers. They're considered one of societies most valuable assets, so it's not surprising then that the children in those countries have better reading, math and science skills overall than US children.

Also as a result of M5, Portland taxpayers are heavily subsidizing Oregon's rural schools. I wouldn't have a problem with that if Republicans in Oregon's House Republicans would show a little gratitude by creating more flexibility in the way the funds are distributed because rural schools don't suffer from overcrowding in the classrooms. Urban schools do. We need to fix that.

But then again I can tell by the posts here that there's no room for discussion. You guys have it in your heads that teachers don't deserve a middle class life like the teachers in the rest of the industrialized world, and that they don't deserve a good retirement after 30-40 years of helping prepare and train the next generation that will enter America's workforce.

Perhaps you missed the story on why Toyota chose Ontario, Canada over several sites in the US for its new factory. And don't tell me that teachers in Canada make less than US teachers and retire with smaller benefit packages.

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